AFGH#9: Humanitarian Assistance for the Afghan people

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC, NDP
I want to thank our witnesses for their presentations and particularly thank the former Afghan interpreters for their service.  As I said to the previous panel, you are part of the Canadian military. There is no question about that, and at this juncture, the Canadian government needs to do what is right for you and your families by bringing them here to Canada expeditiously.
To that point, people have been stuck for more than six months. Over 300 families' applications have not been properly processed. Thirty-five per cent of those have received a file number but are still not here. Not one of them is here, and 65% of them have not even gotten a G number.
On the question of differential treatment, one of the measures the Canadian government has given to Ukrainian nationals is what is called a “single journey travel document”.
If your family members and others like them were to receive this single journey travel document from the Canadian government, would they be able to use that document to travel to a third country and then fly to Canada safely?

Ahmad Shah Sayed, Former Interpreter, Canadian Armed Forces, As an Individual
Yes. If the government and the IRCC and the high commissions of Canada issued a single journey travel document with a facilitation letter that would facilitate our families, yes, that is possible. That's exactly what they did with the humanitarian program. That's exactly what they did for those in the Afghan nation that they are bringing right now. There are people coming out of Afghanistan with that single travel document.
That single travel document works as a temporary visa. If our families have that document, they can leave the airport and cross the border or board the airplane and go to other countries.

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC, NDP
Thank you.  Mr. Zahed, because of the delay in processing by the Canadian government, family members have been stuck hiding from house to house and street to street. They are on the run. People's lives are in jeopardy. One of your brothers is now missing. Other families have also lost their loved ones.  Is it the case that the longer the Canadian government delays this process, the more family members will be lost? How big is the risk for them?

Safiullah Mohammad Zahed, Former Interpreter, Canadian Armed Forces, As an Individual
It's huge. It's unthinkable. That's what we have been mentioning. The IRCC is keeping us busy with forms and all the screening and everything. We have no objection to any of the screening. The problem we have is that we do not have the time. Time is very limited for us. The more time that the IRCC spends on our applications, the closer the Taliban gets to our families. With their intelligence, their information and their sources, they're going to get to our families. In the meantime, our families....
Personally, I have 15 members living in one room because of the lack of money. I cannot send them money from here. I cannot even afford that much money. The government is asking for forms. They have to come back to their house at some point, if they 100% run out of money, and then it will be very easy for the Taliban to catch them. They're on the list. I mentioned earlier that my dad was shot by Taliban in 2013. I have had to move my family around since then, but not as much as these days. At that time we had government and we we had national forces all over the country, but right now we have nothing over there. So yes, we think the IRCC is wasting time. They're keeping us busy with filling out all those forms and it's giving more time to Taliban to get to our families.

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC, NDP
We talked about waiving documentation requirements because it is impossible for people to produce those, especially for families who are worried that they might be caught by the Taliban with documents and absolutely be punished, and so are burning their documents. Are you calling for the Canadian government to waive the documentation requirements? Would your family members who have been supporting the Canadian military on our missions abroad be willing to vouch for your family members? Should that be sufficient for the government to accept, given the high-level security screening that you have already gone through? Once those family members of yours are safely here on Canadian soil, we can then go through the process of the paperwork. Go ahead, Mr. Sayed, and then Mr. Zahed.

Ahmad Shah Sayed, Former Interpreter, Canadian Armed Forces, As an Individual
Yes. We have all the documentation and all of the screenings from the national defence ministry. I have spoken with them. I have had a couple of meetings with the national defence ministry. They sent all the documents to the IRCC. If the IRCC and the government and the foreign affairs ministry are making excuses about the documentation, then that's why we're asking them not to bring our families directly to Canada but send them to a third country. Send them somewhere where they will be safe. At least send them somewhere where the Taliban will not kill them. Then start the process.
All this documentation, all the screening, all the security problems and whatever they are coming up with, the nonsense information they are sending to us, is just wasting our time. It's because of the game of politics. They are trying to take the credit based on our families. We are tired of these politics. We are tired of the extra information and the extra forms. They could have sent these forms six months ago. They are sending the forms now, and we have to wait another three months.

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Afghanistan Committee on April 11th, 2022
Evidence of meeting #9 for Afghanistan in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session

4:15 p.m.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you very much, Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe.

Now we will move on to the honourable member from the NDP, Madam Jenny Kwan, for six minutes.

Please go ahead.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to all of the former interpreters from Afghanistan for presenting today. I actually consider you part of the Canadian military. There is no question that we need to thank you for your service. Now it is the Canadian government's responsibility to make sure that your loved ones are brought here to Canada safely.

I just want to follow up on the question with respect to documentation. If the Canadian government issued your family members what is officially called a “single journey travel document”, and they had that document, would they be able to utilize that document to go to Pakistan and then get on a flight to come to Canada safely?

I'd like to ask that question to each of you. I'll ask you to give me a brief answer because I have a follow-up question following that. I'll start with Mr. Faizi.

 

Ghulam Faizi
Former Interpreter, Canadian Armed Forces, As an Individual

Yes, it will be easy for our families. They will not go to the Taliban to ask for a passport or a third party to get Pakistan visas. They can travel to Pakistan, and after the process they can travel to Canada with the single journey travel document.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you.

Is it the same answer from Mr. Shoaib?

Then I will go to Mr. Khan.

 

Ahmad Shoaib
Former Interpreter, Canadian Armed Forces, As an Individual

Yes. If we get the single journey travel document, we will have hope because we will know it's been confirmed that we're going to Canada, and we will do our 100 per cent to make our way to a third country because now we know we are going to Canada and we are being reunited with our family members.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you.

Mr. Khan.

 

 

Yes, it's a very important question. I think the single document to cross into Pakistan is the main focal point because, as far as documentation goes, we have provided all of the information that IRCC wanted. Now where we're stuck is moving families from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Once they're in Pakistan.... Canada has brought people in under the same program with no passports and no ID cards, the families of staff who worked with the Canadian embassy. If you can do it there, you can do it for our families.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

This is the essence of the question. The Canadian government has made that option available for Ukrainian nationals. Are you asking the Canadian government to treat you with the same special immigration measures they have given to Ukrainian nationals? I'd like just a quick yes or no answer from the three of you, in the reverse order.

Mr. Khan.

 

 

Yes, definitely.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Mr. Shoaib.

 

 

If being human matters for Canada, yes, for sure.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Mr. Faizi.

 

Yes.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you.

Now your problem also is this. There are over 300 families for which applications have been made, and only 35% of them have received a file number, a UCI number, or a G number, and those were for the applications that were submitted prior to January 12. For applications submitted after January 12, 65% of the 300 applications, none of those has even received a response. There have been no file numbers, no G numbers. Is that correct?

 

 

That is correct.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Your problem is this. When you bring this up with IRCC, or at least when I bring these kinds of issues up with IRCC, they say that they can't help those families because they don't have a file number. Without a file number you cannot get a single journey travel document. Is that correct?

 

 

That is correct.

Also, if they're not going to assign or open our applications, who will assign this PIN number to our application? They should do their job and put some officers on our applications, which they promised would be done within two weeks. It's been more than 100 days now.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

The immigration committee actually passed a motion calling on the government to treat others in regions of conflict with the same measures that have been afforded to Ukrainian nationals, and also for the government to waive the refugee determination requirement. Is this what you're asking for from the Minister of Immigration?

Mr. Faizi.

 

 

Yes, we are asking for this. Also, they have made a new obstacle, as I mentioned in my speech. They say that the RAP program will not be available to families or extended families. My question is, when they come to Canada if they want to rent a house, they are asked for income support or income proof. Our families will have zero income support. Where will they live? They should support our families with the RAP program as they do for the rest of the refugee programs.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

In other words, you're basically just asking the Canadian government to treat you equally, the way it does with others.

 

 

We're asking them to treat us equally and fairly, and to do their moral obligation. We supported the Canadian soldier missions. We put our families at risk from the Taliban because of our relationship with the Canadian soldiers.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you very much, Madam Kwan. I appreciate your time.

Now we will go to the second round of questioning. I would like to welcome Mr. O'Toole to the committee.

I welcome you, the honourable Mr. O'Toole, to take your spot for five minutes.

Please go ahead.

 

4:30 p.m.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Take it later, please.

I'm going to go to Madam Jenny Kwan for 90 seconds.

Please go ahead.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

I just want to follow up on the documentation question. You're all been vetted to an extreme level. Will you all vouch for your family members?

 

 

We will 100%.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Who do you want that to go to, Madam Kwan?

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

That's for all of them, please.

 

 

We will 100%.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Mr. Shoaib.

 

 

Yes, for sure we will on that.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

That's the case for all 300 applicants in terms of the families. Is that what you understand it to be?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

That's correct.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

On this basis, because people are forced to burn their documentation and they will no longer have the certifications and the various documents, should the Canadian government not then bring your family members here to Canada safely and then go through all of the paper work as is being done for some others?

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
NDP

Mr. Faizi.

 

 

Yes, that is absolutely our hope.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Mr. Khan.

 

 

Yes, indeed, that's our top request.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Mr. Shoaib.

 

 

Yes, we do want that, and that's our demand.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Madam Kwan.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

If that were being done, if the government waived documentation requirements, if they issued your single journey travel document, you'd be able to get to a third country. The last thing is that Canada's Prime Minister just announced this weekend that they will be bringing evacuation flights for Ukrainian nationals.

If they brought evacuation flights into third countries, then we would be able to bring your family members here to Canada safely. Is this all you are asking for?

Could I have just a quick answer?

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

 

 

Yes.

 

Hameed Khan
Former Interpreter, Canadian Armed Forces, As an Individual

Yes.

 

 

Yes.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you very much, Madam Kwan. Your time is up.

On behalf of all of the members of Parliament, even the ones who I know didn't get a spot to speak, we appreciate your service, Mr. Faizi, Mr. Khan and Mr. Shoaib. We thank you for appearing today and bringing the information forward to this committee. Our very best to you and your families.

 

5:15 p.m.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Madam Kwan, for six minutes, please go ahead.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank our witnesses for their presentations and particularly thank the former Afghan interpreters for their service.

As I said to the previous panel, you are part of the Canadian military. There is no question about that, and at this juncture, the Canadian government needs to do what is right for you and your families by bringing them here to Canada expeditiously.

To that point, people have been stuck for more than six months. Over 300 families' applications have not been properly processed. Thirty-five per cent of those have received a file number but are still not here. Not one of them is here, and 65% of them have not even gotten a G number.

On the question of differential treatment, one of the measures the Canadian government has given to Ukrainian nationals is what is called a “single journey travel document”.

If your family members and others like them were to receive this single journey travel document from the Canadian government, would they be able to use that document to travel to a third country and then fly to Canada safely?

 

Ahmad Shah Sayed
Former Interpreter, Canadian Armed Forces, As an Individual

Yes. If the government and the IRCC and the high commissions of Canada issued a single journey travel document with a facilitation letter that would facilitate our families, yes, that is possible. That's exactly what they did with the humanitarian program. That's exactly what they did for those in the Afghan nation that they are bringing right now. There are people coming out of Afghanistan with that single travel document.

That single travel document works as a temporary visa. If our families have that document, they can leave the airport and cross the border or board the airplane and go to other countries.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you.

Mr. Zahed, because of the delay in processing by the Canadian government, family members have been stuck hiding from house to house and street to street. They are on the run. People's lives are in jeopardy. One of your brothers is now missing. Other families have also lost their loved ones.

Is it the case that the longer the Canadian government delays this process, the more family members will be lost? How big is the risk for them?

It's huge. It's unthinkable. That's what we have been mentioning. The IRCC is keeping us busy with forms and all the screening and everything. We have no objection to any of the screening. The problem we have is that we do not have the time. Time is very limited for us. The more time that the IRCC spends on our applications, the closer the Taliban gets to our families. With their intelligence, their information and their sources, they're going to get to our families. In the meantime, our families....

Personally, I have 15 members living in one room because of the lack of money. I cannot send them money from here. I cannot even afford that much money. The government is asking for forms. They have to come back to their house at some point, if they 100% run out of money, and then it will be very easy for the Taliban to catch them. They're on the list. I mentioned earlier that my dad was shot by Taliban in 2013. I have had to move my family around since then, but not as much as these days. At that time we had government and we we had national forces all over the country, but right now we have nothing over there.

So yes, we think the IRCC is wasting time. They're keeping us busy with filling out all those forms and it's giving more time to Taliban to get to our families.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

We talked about waiving documentation requirements because it is impossible for people to produce those, especially for families who are worried that they might be caught by the Taliban with documents and absolutely be punished, and so are burning their documents. Are you calling for the Canadian government to waive the documentation requirements? Would your family members who have been supporting the Canadian military on our missions abroad be willing to vouch for your family members? Should that be sufficient for the government to accept, given the high-level security screening that you have already gone through? Once those family members of yours are safely here on Canadian soil, we can then go through the process of the paperwork.

Go ahead, Mr. Sayed, and then Mr. Zahed.

 

 

Yes. We have all the documentation and all of the screenings from the national defence ministry. I have spoken with them. I have had a couple of meetings with the national defence ministry. They sent all the documents to the IRCC. If the IRCC and the government and the foreign affairs ministry are making excuses about the documentation, then that's why we're asking them not to bring our families directly to Canada but send them to a third country. Send them somewhere where they will be safe. At least send them somewhere where the Taliban will not kill them. Then start the process.

All this documentation, all the screening, all the security problems and whatever they are coming up with, the nonsense information they are sending to us, is just wasting our time. It's because of the game of politics. They are trying to take the credit based on our families. We are tired of these politics. We are tired of the extra information and the extra forms. They could have sent these forms six months ago. They are sending the forms now, and we have to wait another three months.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you very much, Madam Kwan. Your time is up.

We will now go to the second round. Without wasting any more time, I will go to my own member, the honourable Madam Findlay, for 150 seconds—two and a half minutes.

Please go ahead.

 

5:30 p.m.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you, Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe.

We will now go to Madam Kwan for 90 seconds.

Please go ahead.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

My question is for Mr. Sayed.

You mentioned that the IRCC is now asking you to fill in an additional 16 pages of forms.

Is that request coming after you held your second hunger strike in Ottawa?

 

 

Yes, it is.

All of these documents and all of these emails will not end once we end the hunger strikes. I want to let the government know that we will not stop. That was not the first one and it won't be the last one.

 

 

Yes.

 

 

If there is no response and if they will not bring over our families, soon I will organize another bigger hunger strike, and we will continue unless someone gets in touch with us and finds a solution for our families.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you.

Mr. Zahed, why do think that is? Do you think it's actually a way of the government sending out this pleasurable response to your hunger strike? It's weird that they are asking for additional forms to be filled after six months.

 

 

That's what we think when we have the Monday meetings with the IRCC. As soon as we started talking, we had to give them...not a warning, but we had to let them know that their officers are not doing their job. That's why they are losing track of our cases and we have decided to organize a hunger strike. As soon as we started talking about that, then the next day we got those emails. Everyone got six to seven emails.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you, Madam Kwan.

It's been a minute and a half.

I appreciate all your time.

On behalf of the members of the committee, even the ones who were not able to speak, thank you.

Ms. Reddy, I want to thank you and the Calgary Catholic Immigration Society, on behalf of the members, for all of the humanitarian work that you do.

Mr. Sayed and Mr. Zahed, thank you for your service to Canada. Your concerns are well heard by the members.

 

 

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you for appearing, and all the best to you.

Today I'm wearing green because I'm going to a Ramadan Iftar party tonight, and I will remember you and your families in the prayers.

 

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

 

 

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to everyone for listening to us and giving us the time to present our problems here.

Thank you so much.

I really appreciate it.

 

Umashanie Reddy
National Director, Government-Assisted Refugee Resettlement and the National Afghan Refugee Resettlement Programs, Calgary Catholic Immigration Society

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you very much. All the best.

The meeting is adjourned.

 

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