CIMM#97: Government's Response to Afghanistan Final Report and Committee Business

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

We were just talking about the issue of the appearance of the minister and those requests. As the clerk had indicated, the request on the Gaza and Sudan motion following the first appearance was actually made to the minister's office on March 21. It is now May 1, and we still have not had a response in terms of offering a date from the minister and the officials to reappear. I don't think that's acceptable. The reality is that this is an urgent situation. People are dying. I know of family members who submitted their application and since that time, they have already lost their loved ones. We can't just delay and delay. We can't have the minister ignore the request of the committee. We need to redouble our efforts and to get the minister here so we can get some answers for the families.

I'm going to leave it at that. I trust the work of the clerk. I have no doubt that the clerk has done what he needs to do on behalf of the committee. I thank the clerk for his effort. Perhaps this is more of a message for the minister and their office to get on with scheduling the minister to appear before the committee and to meet all the commitments that have been requested of the minister by the committee on the motions. All of those issues are important; otherwise, we would not have passed them at this committee.

Mr. Chair, at this point, I'd like to move this motion:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee add an additional meeting to the study adopted on February 12, 2024 regarding the pension transferability and access to Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF) for Hongkongers, to study the processing delays for permanent residence applications of Hongkongers, potential differential treatment among different Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) visa offices, and the status of priority processing for applicants in Canada and abroad.

The reason I'm moving this motion at this point, Mr. Chair, is that I have spoken with a lot of Hong Kongers whose applications are simply stuck in the system. For example, Hong Kong Link and VSSDM are active organizations working with Hong Kongers. They are people who have made an application. Originally, the priority processing time for these applications was six months, and now it is to the tune of 21 months. People are still waiting for the PR applications to be processed. In the meantime, people's work permits are expiring. Their study permits are expiring. They're losing their medical coverage. Dependent children are having difficulty accessing education. You can see how difficult that whole scenario is for people.

While this is happening, in Hong Kong, they've recently passed the new Safeguarding National Security Ordinance, which only means they will further escalate the arbitrary arrests and detentions of Hong Kongers.

You can see how frantic people are with the situation. They're so worried about their study permit or work permit expiring, falling out of status and being sent back to Hong Kong to face that situation. I can tell you nothing good will come out of that.

It is really urgent for the minister to come and also address this issue as well. I hope that committee members will support this. This will be in addition to the pension question, which is also a critically important issue.

Citizenship and Immigration Committee on May 1st, 2024
Evidence of meeting #97 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session

 

5:35 p.m.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

I call the meeting to order.

Are there any questions on paragraph 18? I had Mr. Chiang on the list.

Go ahead, Mr. Chiang.

 

Mr. Rémi Bourgaul
The Clerk of the Committee

Mr. Chair, I have Ms. Kwan afterwards.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

We're now on the public record. Is that right?

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Yes.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

We've moved to a public meeting.

Before we get on with other business, I'd like to first ask if the clerk can give us an update on the appearance of the minister at the committee. We have passed a number of motions asking for the minister to come.

One was for two hours on the Gaza and Sudan issue, which was actually passed more than a month ago, back on March 20. As we know, we have an urgent situation with Sudan and Gaza. People are literally dying, and we need to get answers from the minister and officials on this.

Have we had any response from the minister on his availability to come before the committee?

There were other motions as well. There was the Hong Kong study. We asked for officials to come, along with ministers. Of course, there are the supplementary estimates. Finally, there's the issue of smuggling and human trafficking.

Have we had any response from the minister on his availability to appear before the committee?

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

The clerk is still waiting for the response with the minister's availability for the months of May and June.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you.

Just to further clarify, when did the committee request that the ministercome on these motions? Can we get the date on those?

To date, you're telling me.... It is now May 1, and we have not had any offer of availability from the minister since as far back as March 20.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

My understanding is that this was before the meeting that we continued to suspend. If you want the exact dates, I will ask the clerk to look into them and to please give the information to the honourable members.

Clerk, do you need some time? Do you need a suspension, or is it okay?

 

The Clerk

It's okay.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Mr. Chair, maybe we can have the clerk report that back to committee members.

Just so that we have it on the record, the Gaza-Sudan motion was actually moved on March 20. The Hong Kong study motion was on February 12. The supplementary estimates motion was also on February 12. The smuggling operations and human trafficking study motion was on February 26.

It's been months and months and months since—

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

I will just correct you on the Gaza thing. The minister was here. In fact, the meeting was interrupted because of the votes and whatnot. On that issue, the minister was here and we made another request that the minister should come back on that issue.

I just wanted to correct you on that one, but about the others, you are absolutely right.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Yes. On that day, I moved a motion after we were interrupted by many votes, because the issue's urgent and it remains urgent. That motion was passed, but to date, we have not had any dates offered by the minister.

I have to tell you how disturbing that is. I know the minister is busy, but people's lives hang in the balance. No matter how busy we are, we need to make time. People deserve answers and they deserve information. This is what we're charged with doing, so I hope the minister responds.

Perhaps when the clerk has the dates when those requests were made to the minister, they could be reported in the public record, because I think the public deserves to know.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you. Do you want them now, or do you want them later?

 

Jenny KwanVancouver East, BC
NDP

Does the clerk have the dates now? If he has the dates, I'll take them now.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Okay.

Mr. Clerk, do you have the dates? Go ahead.

 

The Clerk

Yes.

Ms. Kwan, if I remember correctly, we had the meeting on March 20. We adopted the motion and then the motion was sent to the department on the 21st. There was some follow-up after that about the Gaza and Sudan motion.

The other outstanding motions are also up in the air. I followed up with the department to know the availabilities, not only for Sudan, but for the other motions that were adopted, and I've had no response yet with exactly when the minister is available.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

I need unanimous consent to carry on as the bells are ringing.

Is there unanimous consent to carry on the meeting?

 

Brad Redekopp Saskatoon West, SK
Conservative

No.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

There is no consent. We'll come back 10 minutes after the vote.

Thank you.

The meeting is suspended.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

I call the meeting back to order.

Madam Kwan has the floor, and then I have Mr. Chiang, Mr. McLean and Mr. Kmiec on the speaking list.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

We were just talking about the issue of the appearance of the minister and those requests. As the clerk had indicated, the request on the Gaza and Sudan motion following the first appearance was actually made to the minister's office on March 21. It is now May 1, and we still have not had a response in terms of offering a date from the minister and the officials to reappear. I don't think that's acceptable. The reality is that this is an urgent situation. People are dying. I know of family members who submitted their application and since that time, they have already lost their loved ones. We can't just delay and delay. We can't have the minister ignore the request of the committee. We need to redouble our efforts and to get the minister here so we can get some answers for the families.

I'm going to leave it at that. I trust the work of the clerk. I have no doubt that the clerk has done what he needs to do on behalf of the committee. I thank the clerk for his effort. Perhaps this is more of a message for the minister and their office to get on with scheduling the minister to appear before the committee and to meet all the commitments that have been requested of the minister by the committee on the motions. All of those issues are important; otherwise, we would not have passed them at this committee.

Mr. Chair, at this point, I'd like to move this motion:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee add an additional meeting to the study adopted on February 12, 2024 regarding the pension transferability and access to Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF) for Hongkongers, to study the processing delays for permanent residence applications of Hongkongers, potential differential treatment among different Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) visa offices, and the status of priority processing for applicants in Canada and abroad.

The reason I'm moving this motion at this point, Mr. Chair, is that I have spoken with a lot of Hong Kongers whose applications are simply stuck in the system. For example, Hong Kong Link and VSSDM are active organizations working with Hong Kongers. They are people who have made an application. Originally, the priority processing time for these applications was six months, and now it is to the tune of 21 months. People are still waiting for the PR applications to be processed. In the meantime, people's work permits are expiring. Their study permits are expiring. They're losing their medical coverage. Dependent children are having difficulty accessing education. You can see how difficult that whole scenario is for people.

While this is happening, in Hong Kong, they've recently passed the new Safeguarding National Security Ordinance, which only means they will further escalate the arbitrary arrests and detentions of Hong Kongers.

You can see how frantic people are with the situation. They're so worried about their study permit or work permit expiring, falling out of status and being sent back to Hong Kong to face that situation. I can tell you nothing good will come out of that.

It is really urgent for the minister to come and also address this issue as well. I hope that committee members will support this. This will be in addition to the pension question, which is also a critically important issue.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

Your motion is in order.

Is there any debate on this particular motion?

Mr. McLean.

 

Greg McLean Calgary Centre, AB
Conservative

I would like some clarity. I am in support of this motion, but I want to make sure that, as with the previous motion, we have the relevant IRCC officials along with the Global Affairs Canada officials at the same meeting. We're tired of having one department blame the other department for the inaction on this file. When you talk to Global Affairs Canada, they seem to think the delay is entirely at IRCC, which should be before this committee. I want to make sure that when they're here, we also have the Global Affairs Canada officials whom the IRCC officials are going to point the finger at, saying they're the reason for the holdup. I disagree. If it's friendly.... It's not clear, but could we have both sets of officials at the same meeting as an assistance, please?

Would that be okay, Ms. Kwan?

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Madam Kwan.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

I think that's okay.

This was just to add to the motion that's already been passed. It already requested all of those officials. It's really just an extension of it.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

Is there any more discussion on this?

All in favour? Is anyone opposed?

(Motion agreed to)

The next speaker on the list is Mr. Chiang.

Mr. Chiang, do you want to say anything?

 

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6:35 p.m.

 

Tom Kmiec Calgary Shepard, AB
Conservative

Thank you, Chair.

I move the following motion that's been put on notice:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct a study into the widespread Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA) fraud committed under the Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) program as reported by the Globe and Mail starting on September 29, 2023 specifically referencing immigration consultants and lawyers whom allegedly fraudulently marketed LMIAs to migrants in values as high as $80,000 in violation of the established regulations; that this study consist of at least two meetings; that for one meeting the committee invite the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship and his department officials to testify for one hour each; that for one meeting the committee invite the Minister of Employment, Workforce Development, and Official Languages and his department officials to testify for one hour each; that the committee report its findings to the House; and that the committee request a comprehensive response from the Government.

I want to briefly refer to the article Marie Woolf wrote on the subject, “Ottawa urged to clamp down further on immigration employment scam”. The article refers to the following, “The federal government told The Globe and Mail it was aware of scams involving LMIA fraud, but had taken steps last year to guard against them with changes to regulations.”

I believe the minister should come to explain why LMIAs are being sold for up to $80,000.

I now have an example of where an LMIA was procured for $1.5 million to a national from the PRC, as far as I know. There's a reference here to a registered immigration consultant from London, Ontario, who says the demand for payment from migrants to get jobs in Canada was still pervasive. It was also being used as a route for settling in Canada.

Here, I have a quote from a +1News article from February 2, 2023. The article is by Yogesh Tulani, and is titled, “'They capitalize on fear'—LMIA Job fraud on the rise as uncertainty with the Immigration system increases”. In it he references another consultant, saying, “I am seeing LMIAs being sold in the markets for anywhere between $20,000 -$30,000 and sometimes even above $50,000 to $100,000.”

I want to refer to another one here, because these numbers are just mind-blowing. I've been tracking this for a little while now. This is from Surjit Singh Flora from Asia Metro, in February 28, 2020. This is now four years ago. There's a reference in it to an LMIA that was sold in Canada's Chinese community for a staggering $1.5 million.

I don't believe there has been much effectiveness by any of the anti-fraud measures that have been introduced. In fact, I have a recent example from a Facebook page that I found. It was referred to me by immigration consultants. On one of them here it says, with exclamation marks, “FOOD COUNTER ATTENDANT pre approved Manitoba, Food service supervisor pre approved Manitoba, Cook pre approved Saskatoon For Visitor Visa only.” It says later on, “market price”. The only thing this could refer to are the words, “please DM.” There are 171 comments. It goes on and on like this. There are countless comments being made.

There's a serious amount of LMIA fraud. I would like the ministers to come in to explain themselves. The media is reporting on it. I have consultant after consultant sending examples of this type of fraud being committed against people from other countries coming to Canada. They're the ones being defrauded. They're the ones being targeted by these fraudulent employers. In some places it's a legal employer, but they're using fraudulent means and then billing back $50 to $100, and it's $1.5 million in one case. They're billing that back to the immigrants who are coming to the country to, in many cases, typically work here under the table.

I would like the ministers to come in with officials to explain themselves.

Thank you, Chair.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you, Mr. Kmiec.

Mr. Kmiec, when you say, “minister”, you meant the minister responsible for the LMIA section, Mr. Randy Boissonnault?

 

Tom Kmiec Calgary Shepard, AB
Conservative

Both of them should come in to explain themselves, because both are involved in the process.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

Mr. Chiang, do you want to speak on the motion brought forward by Mr. Kmiec?

 

Paul Chiang Markham—Unionville, ON
Liberal

Yes, Mr. Chair.

I would like to make an amendment to this motion. Can we add “that the ministers have the option to appear together for one hour followed by officials of IRCC and Employment and Social Development Canada (ESDC) for one hour"?

This could be added following the words, “his department officials to testify for one hour each”.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Mr. Kmiec, are you okay with that? Okay.

The motion presented by Mr. Kmiec is amended by Mr. Chiang. Is there any discussion on that?

(Amendment agreed to)

Go ahead, Madam Kwan.

 

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
NDP

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I would like to further supplement the motion by adding after the word "regulations" the following:

the alleged blacklisting by employers of temporary foreign workers who have obtained open work permits on account of being abused or at risk of abuse in relation to their job.

One of the issues we're also hearing, aside from the abusive situation they are faced with from employers potentially selling LMIAs, is that people are being blacklisted when they speak up about their abuse, so you can imagine the consequence for people who are caught up in this really bad situation.

I would like to add that to the motion in the place where it says “as high as $80,000 in violation of the established regulations” and then put an “and”, and then a (2) so that there are then two segments to the motion.

It would also mean, for the first segment in the beginning where it says, “the committee conduct a study into”, you need to put a (1) so that there would be a (1) and (2).

 

The ChairSukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

Mr. Kmiec and Mr. Chiang, are you okay with that?

 

Tom Kmiec Calgary Shepard, AB
Conservative

I'm fine.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Is there any discussion on Madam Kwan's amendment?

(Amendment agreed to)

Is there any discussion on the motion as amended

(Motion as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Go ahead, Mr. McLean.

 

Greg McLean Calgary Centre, AB
Conservative

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Yesterday in the House of Commons one of our parliamentary colleagues called on the Minister of Immigration to answer a question about an intervention he made on behalf of a person who was supposed to be deported by the Canada Border Services Agency, and he refused to answer in the House of Commons.

This intervention the minister made is an intervention on behalf of Parliament. His responsibilities are answerable to Parliament, and he would not answer in the House of Commons yesterday. It's a great affront to his role that he has to fulfill for Parliament. Therefore, I'm making a motion today:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee demand the appearance of the Minister of Immigration and the Member of Parliament for Vancouver Quadra, to explain their roles and the rational[e] of the Minister's intervention in the stay of deportation of Zain Haq. Media reports that this foreign activist, who has admitted to receiving $170,000 from a foreign entity for his illegal activities, had faced deportation due to violations of his study permit; has been arrested at least 10 times; and has been previously convicted of mischief charges. The 2023 court decision indicate[s] that Mr. Haq has “shown disdain for the rule of law and he has publicly encouraged others to break the law.” Court documents indicate that Mr. Haq helped organize a road closure that “interfered with emergency vehicles trying to access St. Paul's Hospital.”

There's further on this, Mr. Chair, that I want to go into as far as the severity of how Mr. Haq has breached the law goes. He knowingly and deliberately broke the law, and he did so fully aware of the consequences and the impact that his actions have on innocent parties.

This is the judgment against him by a court of law in Canada and subsequently upheld by a Court of Appeal:

...the rule of law must be obeyed unless legal jurisdiction permits otherwise.

Mr. Haq's conduct in knowingly blocking traffic, annoying the public and interfering with their lawful use and enjoyment of public roadways is aggravating. The significant number of police resources consumed by Mr. Haq's behaviour is aggravating. The fact that he persisted in his behaviour while knowing the consequences is aggravating as is his willingness to involve and encourage others...Mr. Haq's breach of his release order was a flagrant disregard of terms designed to prevent further offences and that he did so in the face of the authorities.

...Mr. Haq has shown disdain for the rule of law and he has publicly encouraged others to break the law while publicly celebrating his own arrest. His conduct speaks to an arrogance of ideals at the expense of the democratic process and pro-social dialogue.

...I have considered potential immigration consequences and in my view, to reduce the sentence would result in a sentence that would be disproportionate...Mr. Haq failed to disclose that he was denied a US visa, the sentence imposed may be of no moment to his immigration situation.

It goes on, but it is damning of Mr. Haq.

For some reason, at the last moment, the Minister of Immigration, along with the member of Parliament for Vancouver Quadra, intervened in CBSA's deportation of Mr. Haq. We need to know why. Parliament needs to know why. There is a process here that has to be followed, and there needs to be some rationale for intervening in a deportation order such as this.

That is the motion, Mr. Chair, and I put it on the floor for my colleagues to consider.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you. The motion is in order.

I have a speaking list.

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe—

 

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Lac-Saint-Jean, QC
Bloc

Mr. Chair, if I may, I think I already know which way members are going to vote on the motion. I had my hand up for the next discussion, after the vote on the motion.

Thank you.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Okay. Thank you.

Mr. Kmiec.

 

Tom Kmiec Calgary Shepard, AB
Conservative

Without belabouring the points made by my colleague, I will say that the minister, when he rose to answer the question from the member for Spadina—Fort York on Monday, said the following:

Mr. Speaker, as the member well knows, these are not matters that we talk about publicly, much less on the floor of the House of Commons.

Unfortunately, the power that the Minister of Immigration has to stay deportation is given to him by Parliament, so we parliamentarians give him the power. It's in the IRPA. I did read the court decisions, and I think we should be mindful of the following things that were said by two different justices. This went to a court of appeal as well. There was a pre-removal risk assessment done on Mr. Haq's conduct and the potential that he could be harmed if he were to be deported. He failed each of those measures.

Paragraph 56 of the decision of the Provincial Court of British Columbia said the following:

Mr. Haq’s breach of his release order was a flagrant disregard of terms designed to prevent further offences and...he did so in the face of the authorities.

It went on to say, in paragraph 62, the following.

Mr. Haq has shown disdain for the rule of law and he has publicly encouraged others to break the law while publicly celebrating his arrest. His conduct speaks to an arrogance of ideals at the expense of the democratic process and pro-social dialogue.

The B.C. appeal court decision said he had failed to comply with the conditions of his study permit and that there were reasons of criminal inadmissibility.

Finally, the pre-removal risk assessment said that the court had determined that the likelihood of irreparable harm was not distinctly different from that in the PRRA—which was the pre-removal risk assessment from September 2022—and that there was no specific or meaningful objective evidence of risk. It went on to reference his spouse's medical condition, which I understand was perhaps a consideration.

The justice said there was insufficient evidence on the likelihood of harm to the spouse, though there would be negative health effects, while noting that the spouse still had full access to British Columbia health care.

The deportation was for April 22. It was stayed on April 19.

I believe this committee needs to get answers regarding why Mr. Haq received a stay of deportation whereas other candidates all across the country have not.

I have constituents asking me about the circumstances of this case, and I would like to have the minister here so he could answer those questions for my constituents.

Thank you.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you, Mr. Kmiec.

I have Mr. Maguire and then Mr. Redekopp.

Mr. Maguire, go ahead.

 

Larry Maguire Brandon—Souris, MB
Conservative

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to follow up on what my colleague has put forward in his motion. The Liberal government has intervened to stay the deportation order for a foreign activist who has been arrested at least 10 times. He has pleaded guilty to five counts of mischief and has admitted to receiving $170,000 from a foreign entity for his illegal activities.

In Canada on a study permit, Zain Haq was found by the Canada Border Services Agency to be in violation of his study permit by failing to make sufficient progress in his studies.

Why did the Liberal member of Parliament for Vancouver Quadra, likely with support from the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship work to prevent his deportation?

These are the questions that weren't answered.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Are you bringing an amendment to the motion or are you asking why?

 

Larry Maguire Brandon—Souris, MB
Conservative

I'm just speaking to it.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

 

Larry Maguire Brandon—Souris, MB
Conservative

This type of political interference causes Canadians to lose faith in our system, and the government's decision to halt this deportation should not go without explanation. That's all I'm saying.

I call on all committee members to demand the appearance of the minister and the member for Vancouver Quadra so Canadians can get the answers they deserve. I think that's the very least we can ask for, Mr. Chair.

I'll pass it over to my colleagues.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Mr. Maguire, if you're telling me this, is it just a speech or do you want to make an amendment to Mr. McLean's motion?

 

Larry Maguire Brandon—Souris, MB
Conservative

No, I was supporting my colleague's motion.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Okay. I wanted to make sure because you were saying that the minister should come and a member should come.

You're giving directions or asking for a direction from the committee.

 

Larry Maguire Brandon—Souris, MB
COnservative

That's right. I'm done.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

I take it that this is not an amendment. You're just supporting.

Mr. Redekopp, go ahead.

 

Brad Redekopp Saskatoon West, SK
Conservative

Thank you.

I want to weigh in briefly on this as well.

This case of Zain Haq exemplifies the wacko world we live in with Justin Trudeau's Liberal politics right now.

He was a student who came to Canada, a foreign student. We know there are some issues with some students who come here to work but not necessarily to go to school. To me, it looks as though he was an example of that. In fact, he was more of an eco-terrorist, working particularly against our resource industries—things like fisheries, forestry, oil and gas and mining. Basically all the resources from which Canadians make a living were the things he was taking steps to actively disrupt and harm. This is undisputed, because he has been convicted multiple times. That's why CBSA wanted to deport him.

According to an interview he gave afterward, the deportation was stopped because of Trudeau's former fisheries minister, Joyce Murray. That's very interesting and confusing to me, because I would assume that the minister in charge of fisheries would not want somebody who's essentially an eco-terrorist to come in and disrupt fisheries and mess up our fishery industry.

That's why I think it's important that we get to the bottom of this. That's why I support calling the minister and Joyce Murray before this committee so we can ask them questions, as has been proposed here.

I think we can vote on this motion.

Thanks.

 

The Chair Sukh Dhaliwal
Liberal

Thank you.

Is there any more debate? If there is none, I'll call for the vote.

(Motion negatived: nays 7; yeas 4)

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe, you have your hand up.

 

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CIMM#115: Pension Transferability and Access to Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF), and Delays in Permanent Residence and Visas for Hong Kongers Recent Reforms to the International Student Program

James McNamee, Director General, Family and Social Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
I would say that's generally the case. If the work permit they obtained was originally connected to the public policy, that's correct. I don't know if that's the situation in all cases. In some cases, applicants may have had an LMIA-based work permit to begin with.

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC, NDP
That's right. However, under the special immigration measure, the LMIA is not required.  I have a list of applicants in those circumstances. Their work permit renewal application was rejected. They were asked to submit an LMIA, which makes no sense. I want to flag that as a deep concern now emerging for people whose open work permits are being rejected as they wait for their permanent resident status. At this rate, given the immigration levels plan numbers and the processing delays happening, and with the number of applicants in place, you can imagine that it's going to take something like eight years to get through the backlog of people getting their PR status. This means that if they are trying to get their pension, they will not be able to do so for eight years, because they are required to provide proof of permanent residence.
I want to flag this as a major concern. I hope the department will take action to fix the error being applied to applicants whose open work permits are being rejected under this stream.  Can I get a confirmation from officials that this will be undertaken?

James McNamee, Director General, Family and Social Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Yes, that issue has been raised with the department already, and we're looking into it to see what exactly happened in those situations.

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC, NDP
Okay. Officials are aware of it, and yet it's still happening.  I have cases coming to me that are happening. I'm about to prepare a giant pile of this stuff for the minister, so I hope the officials will fix that.  The other thing related to the pension, of course, is lengthy delays for people to get their permanent status.  Based on the immigration levels plan and the number of applicants in place, is it the officials' anticipation that it will take about eight years to get those applications processed?

James McNamee, Director General, Family and Social Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
We have looked at that possibility. Certainly, it will take longer than we had previously indicated to the committee. I would note that the first year of the levels plan is the fixed year. The years that follow, in this case, 2026 and 2027, are flexible. There are opportunities to adjust those numbers in the future, and that could affect that timeline. It's hard to say whether eight years will be the timeline, but it will be longer than had been originally predicted because the numbers have gone down.

CIMM#114: Recent Reforms to the International Student Program

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
Aside from looking at patterns of potential violators—the groups and organizations taking advantage of students with these fraudulent letters of acceptance—will you be including in the analysis what types of institutions are being utilized for these fraudulent letters? In other words, is it private institutions versus public institutions, colleges versus universities and so on? Will that be part of the analysis?

Bronwyn MayDirector General, International Students Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
It's not always the case that a letter originates from an institution. We would need to look at various possible sources.

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
Maybe I can reframe that.
Obviously, as these are fraudulent letters of acceptance, they wouldn't be issued by the institutions. However, regarding the list of institutions being used for the purpose of these fraudulent letters, I would be interested in obtaining information to determine what percentage are private institutions and public institutions, how many of them are colleges, how many of them are universities and so on. That will tell us very specific information that I think is important when trying to tackle fraudulent activities.

Bronwyn May, Director General, International Students Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
I completely agree. That's a very important line of analysis.

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
I will make the further request to make sure you share this information with the committee. I'll argue that this information should not be kept secret. It should be public and transparent—shared with all Canadians—so that we're aware of what the landscape is and of how international students are being taken advantage of. With respect to that analysis, will there be information and data on what countries are being targeted?

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CIMM#113: Pension Transferability and Access to Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF), and Delays in Permanent Residence and Visas for Hong Kongers

Jenny Kwan Vancouver East, BC
All right. Thank you.
Hence, we have this problem. You have the Canadian government, which created this lifeboat scheme for Hong Kongers who are fleeing persecution in Hong Kong as a result of the national security law. The government, in its wisdom or lack thereof, created this lifeboat scheme that only provides for temporary residence by way of a work permit or a study permit. Then these people have to go to the queue to make an application for permanent residence, and we know that there is a huge backlog and delay in processing.
In the beginning, there was swift action, but as time has passed, it's been lengthened by way of the delay, to the point where the former minister even made an announcement to further extend people's work permits and study permits for another three years. That is to say, a person could be here for six years—as long as six years—under this current scheme without getting permanent residence. This is because the minister anticipated that people would not be able to swiftly get their permanent resident status. That is the reality.
As a result of that, people are not able to provide proof of permanent residence, because the application is in process. To make it even worse, the government—the minister—just made an announcement about the levels plan, cutting levels to the tune of 105,000 permanent resident status applications.
You can imagine how long the wait-list is for Hong Kongers as they continue to wait. Now, these Hong Kongers have zero intention of returning to Hong Kong, because they know that they would be persecuted if they did. People know that. I think the Canadian government knows that.
This is my question, then, to you as the manager of their pension, which, because of this rule, they're unable to access: Would your organization be willing to write to the regulator to ask for consideration for these applicants who are in a prolonged period of waiting for permanent resident status, to ask that their declaration indicating that they do not intend to return to Hong Kong be accepted as proof that they intend to leave Hong Kong permanently so that they can access their pensions? Is that something that your organization would consider doing?

Maryscott GreenwoodGlobal Head, Government Relations, The Manufacturers Life Insurance Company
I think I understand the question.
The basic premise of your question has to do with the period of time it takes for the Government of Canada to determine and provide permanent residency or citizenship. It seems to me that this is a function of the Government of Canada, as opposed to a regulated entity. That's how I would answer that.

Laura HewittSenior Vice-President and Head, Global Government Affairs and Public Policy, Sun Life Financial Services of Canada Inc.
Yes. I would say that it's not within our authority to change the criteria.
However, our numbers show that once that permanent residency does come through, we're able to process the applications and approve Canadian permanent residents.

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